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Denton, TX attorney Jason Lee Van Dyke
Good day, eh. Sending people death threats across the internet is good fun and games – as many of you, our teeming MILLIONS of readers, listeners, and supporters, all know. In fact, we here at the BV Files are big believers in the power of the ‘Death Threat’ to “win friends and influence people.”
It’s hard to believe now, but there was once a time when anonymously threatening to kill someone was hard work. Scaring victims required glue, scissors, countless magazines, stamps, envelopes, and more patience than most would-be murderers could muster. Just getting your death-threat supplies was exhausting if you weren’t already a kindergarten teacher!
Today, claiming you’re going to end the life of a fellow human being without actually putting your name on the threat is as simple as typing “ur ded” and hitting “enter.”
CHECK IT OUT!!
Murder Kate Gosselin and win “something on a stick”?
So what do you do? Call the cops, the FBI??
It’s the Federal Bureau of Investigation, not the McGibney Bureau of Investigation. Don’t be selfish.
Sorry, but the FBI is not your personal army!
Attorney Jay Leiderman
Of course, you could always do what Ventura, CA attorney Jay Leiderman does when he is the victim of death threats – he wraps it up in a motion and tells US District Court Judge Beth Freeman about it. CHECK OUT THE AUDIO RECORDING!!
Jay Leiderman’s home address, in case anyone is curious
Real-life death threats, even those made in front of witnesses by habitual abusers, are carried out successfully all too frequently. For whatever reason, the law just hasn’t been able to figure out how to stop a person who swears they’re going to murder you from actually murdering you.
The horrifying truth is that if some drooling maniac wants to murder someone, a restraining order (the first — and often only — step in obtaining protection) is not likely to stop them. The police are unfortunately inconsistent in their enforcement of protective orders, sometimes picking up offenders as late as 48 hours after a report is made. (That’s more than enough time to murder somebody, it turns out.)
Temporary restraining orders have also been known to increase volatility in existing abusive relationships. In a study of 55 homicides, the victim had filed a restraining order against their eventual killer in 20 percent of them.
Really, the most effective way to get the justice system involved is to wait for a person to actually try to murder you, hope that they slip up somehow, and then call the police.
This is what our American Hero & Honorary Admin of the BV Files Thomas Retzlaff recently did. He waited until Jason Van Dyke actually made an attempt upon his life before he called the police, which has been documented below in these court records, FREE OF CHARGE, for you, our teeming MILLIONS of readers, listeners, and supporters.
And now this evidence is in the hands of State Bar investigators and law enforcement. CHECK IT OUT!!
Van Dyke was also kind enough to contact Retzlaff’s attorney, American Hero & Honorary Admin of the BV Files Houston attorney Jeffrey Dorrell, and also make death threats against Retzlaff, too, to Mr. Dorrell!!
FUN FACT: Sending your opponent and his attorney death threats is a sure-fire way to winning your $100 million defamation lawsuit, right?
SO WHO ARE VAN DYKE AND RETZLAFF?
Check out this article that kind of explains things:
Now that Van Dyke has officially – and irrevocably – gone On-The-Record with these statements, the federal judge that is overseeing his $100 million lawsuit against Retzlaff has taken an interest and his instructed Van Dyke to personally appear in federal court on August 9 where Van Dyke will be questioned under oath. CHECK IT OUT!!
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Van Dyke v Retzlaff - Order for Injunction Hearing
We are sure that everything will work out just fine for Van Dyke, and that, no matter what, he won’t be hauled away in handcuffs – 100% VERIFIED!!
Of course, how he expects a jury to hand him a $100 million verdict based on his track record and violent attacks against Retzlaff is bizarre!
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IN OTHER NEWS….
As many of you, our long time readers, will recall, our website shares hosting space with an ISIS blog that also features zoo-porn, warez, and pirate movies. From time to time our unruly neighbors get a little, well…, unruly. So in order to keep the Muslim hordes at bay, we throw them a bone from time to time by reporting on a story here that is of interest to members of the Islamic community. Below is just one recent example. We would urge you, our teeming MILLIONS of readers, listeners, and supporters, to please CHECK IT OUT!!
MAYADEEN, Syria — ISIS recruit Abdul Mourad stuffed a live goat into an amnesty box early yesterday morning, sources familiar with the incident say.
The young goat could be heard baying by men who slept in sweaty tents near the desert in Eastern Syria.
“Good lord, someone’s going to town on that thing,” someone murmured, rolling over, hoping to catch a few minutes more sleep before another day of intensive training began.
ISIS training is notoriously rigorous and entrants are expected to disavow “earthly” pleasures, including those associated with the idyllic farmyard. In recent months, ISIS senior command has complained about lax discipline and, according to sources familiar with the matter, a scarcity of prime breeding goats for themselves.
“One of the perks of leadership,” complained an ISIS battlefield commander who spoke on condition of anonymity. “Is to have your pick of brides, of land, of livestock, of slaves. When I was a young recruit, I spent my days wiring and rewiring my standard-issue suicide vest; I spent my nights dreaming of martyrdom. This slovenly lot they pass onto us now, they are deviants and fornicators already without having earned these privileges!!”
Among the men, opinions were mixed on what is referred to dismissively as “the old guard’s” mentality about afternoon barnyard delight.
“These pigs,” said one enlisted recruit. “They’ve fatted themselves on the conquest of weak, westernized regions. When they were on the ground, they took Damascus. They would raid Starbucks for breakfast and then raid a sushi bar for dinner. Today, we fight Russian FSB and American CIA in the dust and rubble like men.”
“Of course, we take their goats,” he added, spitting. “They better watch out that we don’t start taking fat-bellied commanders who whine like goats.”
In response to complaints about discipline, ISIS command has instituted harsh penalties for contraband materials, which includes all manner of farm animals.
“A goat is a biggie. That would result in immediate execution by decapitation. We have performed three already this week, unfortunately,” said another anonymous ISIS commander, while thumbing distractedly through goat pictures on his iPhone.
But, in an effort to ease rising anxiety among recruits of the terrorist group, ISIS command has installed several Amnesty boxes, boxes in which recruits can anonymously drop off contraband material without fear of punishment, on training grounds. Amnesty boxes are checked frequently, even twice hourly, by a command eager to instill discipline in the beleaguered ranks.
At press time, there was a line of grinning officers who rubbed their palms together and licked their lips as they waited for Mourad to finish depositing the goat into the amnesty box.
THOSE WHO CANNOT REMEMBER THE PAST ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT….
There was a recent news article detailing allegations of dog-human sexual relations between Nederland, TX based private investigator Philip Klein. This update here has nothing to do with that.
This update is all about how Klein and his attorney, John Morgan of Beaumont, Texas, keep beating their collective heads against a wall in their repeated efforts at getting certain court records sealed from public view – records pertaining to allegations of child sex trafficking / pedophilia supposedly involving local Democratic big wig / attorney Wayne Reaud, and matters of judicial corruption involving 60th District Court Judge Justin Sanderson (whom Klein claims on his blog will be indicted August 19th or thereabouts).
Four times now Klein and Morgan have tried to get those records sealed, and four times the trial court has denied them.
ADMIN NOTE: Yes, we know that this is only the first of four motions to seal filed by Morgan. But since all the other motions were cut & paste jobs of this first one, we won’t waste your time by repeating them all here.
Wayne Allison Reaud, date of birth Sept 29, 1947
So what are the records that Morgan and Klein are so intent upon keeping from you, our teeming MILLIONS of readers, listeners, and supporters? CHECK IT OUT!!
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Sealed Exhibits 4 - 7
Since Morgan has been repeatedly stymied by the trial court, he decided to take his traveling circus on the road to the Beaumont Court of Appeals in the form of this steaming pile of horse shit he laughingly calls a Petition for Writ of Mandamus.
What role does this man have in the political corruption / child sex trafficking scandal?
And this is the final ruling from the trial judge on Morgan’s repeated attempts at getting those court records sealed. CHECK IT OUT!!
And here is Morgan’s newest and bestest attempt at relitigating a matter that has already been decided – a hallmark of SLAPP litigation tactics, we are sure will impress the Beaumont Court of Appeals.
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Klein's Pet for Writ of Mandamus
As of this date, no response has been filed with the court of appeals.
SUPPORTER OF REVENGE PORN, ATTORNEY MARC RANDAZZA, HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR DISBARMENT BY A NEVADA DISCIPLINARY PANEL!!
Marc Randazza is a BIG supporter of revenge pornography and has been heavily involved in the sexual blackmail of little girls (and some men!) due to his repeated legal representation of James McGibney (who we don’t like) in several lawsuits that were filed against McGibney for…. revenge porn, extortion, defamation, and blackmail, and for his role in filing a series of lawsuits for McGibney as a part of McGibney’s SLAPP schemes.
If it were not for Randazza and his guiding hand, the revenge pornography empire that is ViaView, Inc. and James McGibney would not exist today.
(The only reason it does not exist today is because of the hard work and efforts of a few good women / “grandmothers” and some men!)
We can now confirm that it is 100% VERIFIED that Randazza has just filed an appeal with the Nevada Supreme Court of a disbarment recommendation made by the Southern Nevada Disciplinary Panel based upon a grievance filed against Randazza by Some Random Person We’ve Never Heard Of Before.
The disbarment recommendation came after the Disciplinary Panel found “true” allegations of violations of Nevada Rules of Professional Conduct 1.4 (Communication), 1.7 (Conflict of Interest: Current Clients), 1.8 (Conflict of Interest: Current Clients: Specific Rules), 1.10 (Imputation of Conflicts of Interest), 1.15 (Safekeeping Property), 1.16 (Declining or Terminating Representation), 2.1 (Advisor), 5.6 (Restrictions on Right to Practice), and 8.4 (Misconduct).
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Randazza’s Opening Brief is due August 22, 2018.
FUN FACT: This is not the first attorney related to McGibney that has gotten into serious trouble with their local state bar as a result of complaints filed by Some Random Person.
In case anyone is curious, this is the house that was bought and paid for by Randazza’s revenge porn monies from McGibney and other gay porno trolling activities:
We would not be surprised to hear that this house is on the Aryan Brotherhood’s Pizza Delivery route!
According to sources close to the investigation (that consist solely of the voices in our head), complaints have been filed with the Florida, Massachusetts, Arizona, California, and Washington State Bar associations, too, and investigations have been launched in each of these states against Randazza.
Looks like CNN and Fox News will have to start looking for another “legal commentator.” Hopefully they can find one who is not a piece of human garbage, a thief, and a liar.
Recall that Randazza started McGibney down the path of SLAPP suits with the one that was filed against Hunter Moore.
July 27, 2018:
We were just about to publish this article when a very special update in the Nazi attorney Van Dyke lawsuit just happened Friday at about 5pm CT. An interlocutory appeal to the United States Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals was filed by Retzlaff and his attorney Jeff Dorrell!!
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Retzlaff - Notice of appeal
What caused this appeal to be filed is the fact that the district court had until July 20, 2018, to make a ruling (one way or the other) on Retzlaff’s previously filed anti-SLAPP motion to dismiss under the Texas Citizens Participation Act (the ‘TCPA’). Because the judge failed to rule on or before July 20, the TCPA motion was denied by operation of law – meaning it was automatically denied because it was never ruled upon within the required deadline.
In light of what happened Friday, this May 9 Press Release from Senior Partner Jeffrey L. Dorrell of the Hanszen Laporte Law Firm will never not be funny.
Jeffrey Dorrell – Hanszen Laport Law Firm
These two are victims of a terrible group of neo-Nazis
Tom & Brittany Retzlaff
However, in an effort to clarify the issues on appeal, and to help Retzlaff out, on July 24, Judge Mazzant signed a Memorandum Opinion and Order outlining the reasons why he feels that the Texas Citizens Participation Act (a state procedural law) does not apply in federal court. CHECK IT OUT!!
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Order denying TCPA motion
Jason Lee Van Dyke
Shortly after that order was filed, Van Dyke sent Retzlaff and Dorrell the below settlement offer. Here it is in its completely unredacted form.
From: Jason Van Dyke <[email protected]>
Subject: Settlement
Date: July 24, 2018 at 10:13:54 AM CDT
To: Jeffrey Dorrell <[email protected]>
Cc: Alan Taggart <[email protected]>Mr. Dorrell:
My last offer for a straight dismissal is, by this correspondence, rescinded. However, in light of the ruling on various motions by Judge Mazzant this morning, I am willing to give Mr. Retzlaff one last chance to listen to reason. We can all stop spending money and focus on moving on with our lives under the following conditions:
1. Agreed judgment in favor of me and against Mr. Retzlaff;
2. Nominal damages in the amount of $10.00;
3. A permanent injunction enjoining and restraining Mr. Retzlaff from the following behavior:
a. Having any contact with me whatsoever, either through himself or a third party;
b. Having any contact with any members of my family whatsoever, either through himself or a third party;
c. Having any contact, either through himself or a third party, with any person with whom I have (a) an employer-employee relationship; (b) an independent contractor relationship; or (c) an attorney-client relations
4. He will immediately send a request to the State Bar of Texas requesting to withdraw his frivolous grievance filings against me. However, it will not constitute a breach of the agreement if the State Bar of Texas declines to honor his request.
The third party prohibitions above shall not apply to persons licensed to practice law who are contacting me or an employer for reasons that are permissible under applicable rules of civil or criminal procedure.
Jason lee Van Dyke
Hanszen-Laporte employee Thomas Retzlaff
And what was Retzlaff’s response to this settlement offer, you ask? CHECK IT OUT!!
From: [email protected]
Sent: July 24, 2018 12:09 PM CDT
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: SettlementMr Dorrell,
Please tell Jason Van Dyke that he can suck my cock, he can suck my cock long, and he can suck my cock hard.
Seriously.
Nazis, especially violently racist Nazis, don’t get to be lawyers in Texas. Or any other state for that matter.
I absolutely do not mind spending money, LOTS of money, on this. (That’s one of the nice things about having a rich family!)
Thus, I am formally giving you and the Hanszen Laporte law firm a blank check so as to prosecute any and all appeals of the denial of my TCPA motion – and other matters – to the fullest extent possible.
Any money you guys need shall be immediately provided, as per the agreement.
Fuck Van Dyke.
By the way, I understand that there will be a hearing on August 9 on Van Dyke’s request for an injunction, and that the federal judge is requiring Van Dyke’s personal appearance. I am instructing you to make certain you question Van Dyke under oath about all of his death threats he has made against me and my family, and the death threats he has made against my good friend Ken White (the former U.S. Attorney with the Dept of Justice from Los Angeles), as well as the murder threats Van Dyke made against NYC rap artist Talib Kweli. Remember how Van Dyke went on YouTube and said he was going to skin Mr Kweli alive and put his skin on the living room floor?
Mr White will appear. I’m not sure yet on Mr Kweli.
I also want you to issue federal subpoenas to various folks at the State Bar, too, regarding the disbarment lawsuit that they have just filed against Van Dyke and get ahold of all of their documents and investigation materials, too.
Van Dyke has threatened to murder people at the State Bar, too, recall.
So all of that stuff is relevant to whether or not this Nazi Proud Boy cocksucker needs an injunction. Clean hands and all that good shit, right?
Oh, and how soon till you get the subpoena served on Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boy founder? FYI – he just settled a federal lawsuit filed against him in Michigan yesterday over his role in falsely accusing two people of being involved in the Charlottesville VA murder and race riots that the Proud Boys started.
So get your people on that, too, please ASAP.
Bottom line – there will be no settlements with the Nazi. No way, Jose.
So suck it, Van Dyke.
Tom Retzlaff
(Many thanks to Some Random Person We’ve Never Heard Of Before for sending us these documents and emails!)
Wow! Just wow. We here at the BV Files are left completely and utterly speechless!
4. He will immediately send a request to the State Bar of Texas requesting to withdraw his frivolous grievance filings against me.
FUN FACTS: Van Dyke’s demand that Retzlaff dismiss his bar complaint as a condition of Van Dyke settling his $100 million lawsuit against Retzlaff for just $10 is a violation of:
Rule 8.04(a)(4) (obstruction of Justice).
According to sources close to the investigation (which do not consist solely of the voices in our head), the disbarment lawsuit against Van Dyke should be resolved by August 20.
With regards to the appeal to the U.S. COurt of Appeals, when reached for comment, Van Dyke had this to say:
I am willing to take this case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if I have to.
Unfortunately for Van Dyke, his Erie claims of the TCPA being a procedural rule have been repeatedly dealt with and overruled by many, many federal courts. In fact, ever since 1996, the US Supreme Court has specifically stated that:
Under the Erie doctrine, federal courts sitting in diversity apply state substantive law and federal procedural law.
The case against Retzlaff is a “diversity” case. See, e.g., Henry v. Lake Charles Am. Press, L.L.C., 566 F.3d 164, 168-69 (5th Cir. 2009) (“Louisiana law, including the nominally-procedural Article 971 [(Louisiana’s anti-SLAPP provision)], governs this diversity case.”); Williams v. Cordillera Commc’ns, Inc., 2014 WL 2611746, at *2 (S.D. Tex. June 11, 2014) (explaining that state anti-SLAPP statutes “are enforceable in federal courts sitting in diversity jurisdiction” by virtue of the Erie doctrine).
So why was Retzlaff’s attorney, and close & personal friend, Jeffrey Dorrell, so insistent that the Henry case applies? It is because the Henry court reasoned that, even though the Louisiana anti-SLAPP statute was built around a procedural device—a special motion to dismiss—it nonetheless applied in federal court under the Erie doctrine because it was functionally substantive.
WOW! And if you were a good attorney who graduated from a Top Tier Law School, who worked for an AV “Preeminent” rated law firm, you would know good shit like this!
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FUN FACT: In the law of the United States, diversity jurisdiction is a form of subject-matter jurisdiction in civil procedure in which a United States district court in the federal judiciary has the power to hear a civil case when the amount in controversy exceeds $75,000 and where the persons that are parties are “diverse” in citizenship or state of incorporation, which means that the parties differ in state and/or nationality.
Diversity jurisdiction and federal-question jurisdiction (jurisdiction over issues arising under federal law) constitute the two primary categories of subject matter jurisdiction in U.S. federal courts.
DOUBLE FUN FACT: The Erie doctrine is a fundamental legal doctrine of civil procedure in the United States which mandates that a federal court sitting in diversity jurisdiction (or in general, when hearing state law claims in contexts like supplemental jurisdiction or adversarial proceedings in bankruptcy) must apply state substantive law to resolve claims under state law.
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The doctrine follows from the Supreme Court landmark decision in Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins (1938). The case overturned Swift v. Tyson, which allowed federal judges sitting in a state to ignore the common law local decisions of state courts in the same state, in cases based on diversity jurisdiction.
There are two main objectives of the Erie decision: (1) to discourage forum shopping among litigants, and (2) to avoid inequitable administration of the laws.
Broadly speaking, the second objective is sometimes referred to as “vertical uniformity” and is rooted in the idea that in a given state, the outcome of the litigation should not be grossly different just because a litigant filed a claim in a state court rather than a federal court or vice versa.
The Erie doctrine today applies regardless of how the federal court may hear a state claim. Whether the federal court encounters a state law issue in diversity jurisdiction, supplemental jurisdiction, or bankruptcy jurisdiction, the federal court must honor state common law when deciding state law issues.
In effect, when the U.S. Constitution does not control and Congress has not legislated (or cannot legislate) on a topic, then the laws of the states necessarily govern and state judge-made rules are equally binding on the federal courts as state statutes.
According to sources close to the investigation (which consist solely of the voices in our head), because the district court is exercising jurisdiction over Van Dyke’s claims pursuant to diversity jurisdiction, the Erie doctrine is applicable.
Stay tuned for further updates throughout the week!
MCGIBNEY GANG MEMBER DERIC LOSTUTTER CASE SETTLEMENT….
Deric Lostutter – drug addict and convicted felon
Several years ago one of the employees of James McGibney (who we don’t like), Deric Lostutter, filed a LOLsuit against some lady in Ohio. Today we here at the BV Files wish to announce that this LOLsuit has been settled. CHECK IT OUT!!
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Lostutter settlement agreement
As you will recall, Lostutter was the subject of an actual FBI investigation (as opposed to all of the pretendy FBI threat hoaxes McGibney and Klein claim involve Retzlaff, Dorrell, and Rauhauser, et al.).
Lostutter’s employment with McGibney worked out really well for him as he got over 24 months in federal prison for computer hacking and lying to the FBI!
TEXAS STATE JUDGE LAYNE WALKER….
Judge Layne Walker
Here is an interesting video. This very interesting in light of very recent developments in federal court.
FURTHERMORE… We now have proof, 100% verified, that Philip Klein is working in the Jefferson County District Attorney’s office at night to supplement his income. In concert with the FBI crime lab and the forensic team at Interpol, we have now confirmed that the DNA of the person who has been urinating on the toilet seats in the men’s rooms matches that of Philip R. Klein to a certainty of 99.9999999982%. Sources close to the investigation have reported that Klein is seemingly so fat he cannot either see or reach his tiny, wormlike penis, so he is seemingly forced to just pull his pants down and spray urine randomly in the general direction of a nearby toilet. This is why his wife, Inga, seemingly will not let him use the bathrooms in their home.
April 3 2018 memo from the Dist Attny to all employees – don’t pee on the floor!
So. How was your week?
Harrowing as usual. WTF is wrong with Texas drinking water?
This lawyer needs to work at qt gas station not behind the law..
fiRsT!
Sixxxxteee-ninnnne!
lol at the McGibney Gang retards for thinking that Ken White won’t be showing up for injunction hearing.
Dude, it’s kinda hard to ignore a federal subpoena. Plus, White filed his own grievance against Van Dyke, too, you know. So he has just as much interest in seeing Van Dyke disbarred as others do.
So suck it, bitch.
Hahahahaha
Ehhh… non-sequiturs have never really been your thing, so are there some comments stuck in your queue or something? Otherwise, it appears I’m literally the first *McGibney Gang member to comment under this here article of yours. So who exactly were you replying to?
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*the “McGibney Gang” is synonymous with anyone who would dare to disagree or express a viewpoint which runs counter to that of “TR” or this racist sexist defamation harassment revenge porn blog (of his).
Retzlaff does not run this blog. But don’t let reality get in the way of your sweet narrative!
LOL!!! Whatever you say, mas’sa Klansman!
Your ridiculous denial was knocked on it’s ass once and for all on #June13th.
Obviously you’re free to keep on blogging and telling your vexatious stories until all the indictments are in and my pal Johnny Law swings by in his van to lawfully abduct you and obstruct your access to the Internet (for a very very very long time).
Won’t be long now. Nothing to do but wait and LOL!
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Your ridiculous denial was knocked on it’s ass once and for all on #June13th. Seems surprising when you claimed that Retzlaff was supposedly arrested and his house raided by the ATF / FBI / super secret whatevers. (Yet nothing on PACER or in the news media in San Antonio or Phoneix!) And you further claimed that the reason why the BV Files blog had not posted a new article (despite having posted on June 12) was because we all got arrested and our computers and phones and servers were taken by the FBI. But clearly that was not the case… Read more »
With regards to “impending indictments”, it seems quite funny to claim this when one looks at the conduct of Andrew Anglin, which is far worse than anything that retzlaff or even this blog has been accused of. Yet he has never been charged with anything.
This article is very interesting.
— Admin Steve, just tossing in his two cents worth
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/the-making-of-an-american-nazi/544119/
Kleinspiricies
Does these also involve collusion, too? Russian collusion?!
” it appears I’m literally the first *McGibney Gang member to comment under this here article of yours. So who exactly were you replying to?”
Typical low-IQ, uneducated McGibney moron who never researches or reads anything beyond whatever blog or revenge porn website they’re obsessed with at the moment.
I wonder if The Real TR has ever read FRCP 45(c)? Because unless Ken White resides or regularly works within 100 miles of Sherman, Texas, he can’t be compelled to attend a hearing there. (Hint: He doesn’t, and he can’t.)
Which explains why Dorrell is taking White’s subpoenaed deposition in Los Angeles, California, at White’s downtown law firm on a date as yet to be determined!! And which is why both Retzlaff and Dorrell are taking Gavin McInnes’ subpoenaed deposition in New York City later this summer!! See, the problem is that you read, but you do not understand the words or the process. All that is necessary to take a non-party’s deposition in a federal case is a subpoena and an ability to travel to the witness’s hometown. Easy as pie, eh? Don’t believe me? Go ask your “buddy”… Read more »
Is this the same Jeffrey Dorrell who filed a motion to stay proceedings pending TR’s appeal yesterday? Something here doesn’t make sense.
Something here doesn’t make sense. It only makes sense because, outside of wearing handcuffs, you have NO courtroom experience. See, Hanszen Laporte is a large law firm with many lawyers, and they are capable of working on many different (often contradictory) tasks at the same time. So while we are negotiating with North Korea on a peace settlement, aircraft carriers are being moved into place, soldiers are going through pre-invasion planning & training, maintenance is being performed on B-2 bombers and nukes, and rough men stand ready to do violence so that the rest of us may sleep peacefully in… Read more »
Which explains why Dorrell is taking White’s subpoenaed deposition in Los Angeles, California, at White’s downtown law firm on a date as yet to be determined!! You seem to have gone full retard, son. NEVER go full retard! Didn’t we all see where White basically laughed at your fantasy and told you to fuck off (in not so many words)? You really got stop this unhealthy obsessiveness and stalking, bro. It’s gonna and you in prison one day. But like I said, go ask your Twitter “friend” @Popehat for some marginal legal advice. Funny, but just recently, in fact within… Read more »
lol. If tr wants to subpoena that twink popehat to be deposed, he can do that and it can be compelled. However, deposing popehat will lead to the revelation that popehat behaved like an asshole toward JLVD and deserved whatever taunts he got in return. JLVD knows that and relishes the opportunity to question and cross popehat under oath. Oh pleez don’t throw me in the briar patch, Mister Farmer! Everyone should bear in mind that popehat is a gossipy jackass who is friends with Adam Steinbong, who was McGibney’s partner in his extortion business for two years, according to… Read more »
I did not see anything from White. All I did see where anonymous twitter accounts, run by completely unknown people and sock puppets, all in a circle jerk. What I do have is a written affidavit signed by White and some communications exchanged with my law team. So at least I know I got my information straight from the horse’s mouth. You got you information from… twitter. Nuf said, kid. Lol = you . Fun Fact: the @Popehat account is a group effort run by MANY people. So you don’t know who the fuck you’re talking to at any given… Read more »
JLVD is a pro se but according to the bar website he is admitted to practice as an attorney before the supreme court so I can’t imagine they would deny cert soley on that basis. They are far more likely to deny cert in this case and grant it in another case for a different reason; this case is a complete shit show. my guess is that JLVD loses in a 2-1 decision in the 5th circuit, appeals to the full panel, and wins a very narrow victory there. TR will appeal to the supremes where cert will likely be… Read more »
also i seriously doubt that popehat will testify in this case. Randazza writes for his blog and Randazza is no friend to TR. In fact, i wouldn’t be surprised is Randazza is helping JLVD. they were in Gavins case together (randazza representing charles c johnson and JLVD representing mcInnes). Randazza also just appeared on Gavins show. If TR is trying to get randazza disbarred too, I doubt that popehat’s testimony will be very favorable for TR.
No, the @popehat twitter is Ken White, writing in the first person and posting vacation pics of his family. He seems to have deleted his tweet reply that was abusive toward TR. that’s okay – people can tweet bad things, realize they are bad, then delete them.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the @Popehat website itself states that it is written by a group of people. Same as out little blog here. Just because one person posts photos of vacation pics does not mean that the Twitter account is exclusively theirs or under their sole control.
“It’s hard to believe now, but there was once a time when anonymously threatening to kill someone was hard work. Scaring victims required glue, scissors, countless magazines, stamps, envelopes, and more patience than most would-be murderers could muster. Just getting your death-threat supplies was exhausting if you weren’t already a kindergarten teacher!”
hahahahahahah!
Read the Klein has a ‘pleasure lady’
who is Klein’s pleasure lady?
Klein calls most women “whore,” so whoever she is, must be foolish.
Jane Holmes is Kleins pleasure lady
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NEW UPDATE!!
The article above has been reformatted due to complaints about the type size of the emails. So if you made screen shots for your “massive stack of proof” for “evidence” in a “court of law”, you need to redo it as it is no longer valid and admissible.
In recent years, psychologists have found a powerful connection between trolling and what’s known as the “dark tetrad” of personality traits: psychopathy, sadism, narcissism, and Machiavellianism. The first two traits are significant predictors of trolling behavior, and all four traits correlate with enjoyment of trolling. Research published in June by Natalie Sest and Evita March, two Australian scholars, shows that trolls tend to be high in cognitive empathy, meaning they can understand emotional suffering in others, but low in affective empathy, meaning they don’t care about the pain they cause. They are, in short, skilled and ruthless manipulators. Which described… Read more »
Have psychologists found the reason for Klein’s insanity? Did his mother or father beat him down to the ground and now he’s getting his revenge? Maybe you guys need an interview with Mrs. Valerie Klein
Some people have suggested it is caused by him eating missing children.
the legal term for what McGibney does is cyberstalking and it is a federal crime. As for psychological makeup, cyberstalkers have the same makeup as serial killers. As the poster above listed, it is a combination that allows them to be know perfectly well that what they are doing is wrong, but they do it anyway. McGibney keeps seeking media attention, because he wants attention for the crimes he commits. Even when it is negative attention, like the Al Jazeera article, the talk shows and that recent article in a law journal — in all instances the articles and shows… Read more »
Where can I find the law journal article about McGibney?
New update to article to include a comment from Jason Van Dyke himself. Be sure to CHECK IT OUT!
By the way, be sure to check out Coast to Coast Am tonight in a few moments! Barrett Brown is going to be on. So find your local AM radio station and listen in!!
is this online somewhere?
I Heart Radio is online suppose. Find the call sign for an AM station. Such as KFI 640 AM from Los Angeles.
I found it and it was something you have to pay for.
You can download the episode for free using U Torrent or similar software and it is an MP3 file.
https://cachetorrent.com/Coast-To-Coast-AM-07-29-18-torrent-11186570.html
Blank check!!! And there is nothing that much money can not buy! NOTHING! Am I right? Hell yes I am. JLVD should have kept his racist fat mouth shut and his head down and no one would even known who he was. To bad he wanted to be famous on the world wide internet as a hard nosed racist bigot woman hating fagot. He has done nothing to be proud of. By the path he has chosen I feel certain he soon will be imprisoned if not fatally wounded by one or more of his many victims. He is an… Read more »
i doubt that. if they were going to arrest JLVD they would have probably done so by now. the evidence is out there and law enforcement has not shown any interest in two trolls shouting at each other over a keyboard. and not even TR will mess with JLVD in person because JLVD is known to always carry a weapon and appears from his instagram to have a class 3 gun license. just because someone is a dimwit doesn’t know that they don’t know how to use a weapon.
1. The title of the article says that JLVD is ordered to appear for the purpose of answering death threats, but the order posted in the body of the article orders all parties to appear for a hearing on JLVD’s preliminary injunction.
2. Even if the substantive portions of the Texas anti-slapp law apply in federal court, the deadlines imposed by the statute do not. This has already been decided in both the 1st and the 9th circuit.
3. If the Texas bar was going to disbar JLVD, they would have done so by now
The title of the article says that JLVD is ordered to appear for the purpose of answering death threats, but the order posted in the body of the article orders all parties to appear for a hearing on JLVD’s preliminary injunction. Yeah, if you are a no-account McGibney Gang member / all-around dumb ass, this would be a little tough to figure out. First off, Van Dyke has the burden of proof in establishing the necessity for an injunction. TR does not have to do or say anything – he doesn’t even have to appear if he doesn’t want to.… Read more »
Speaking of dumbasses, I thought you said you can tell the difference between when it’s me or she or any of the many random commenters who should post a word or two here?
If so, why are you mistaking someone who obviously is not me – for me?!
Prove it. Where is the paperwork that backs up your claim that the ex-Mrs. Lance Armstrong has signed on to your defense team? Put up or shut up, blabbermouth!
Huh? more McGibney Gang jibber jabber.
I agree, if Haynes Boone and the ex-Mrs. Lance Armstrong has joined the defense team of A Vexatious Litigant, then let’s see the paperwork. Where is the EVIDENCE that Haynes Boone has “joined” his defense team. Certainly no filing on the docket which supports that.
how is any of this any of your business?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, AMIRITE?
So where’s the beef?
lol. If tr wants to subpoena that twink popehat to be deposed, he can do that and it can be compelled. However, deposing popehat will lead to the revelation that popehat behaved like an asshole toward JLVD and deserved whatever taunts he got in return. JLVD knows that and relishes the opportunity to question and cross popehat under oath. Oh pleez don’t throw me in the briar patch, Mister Farmer! Everyone should bear in mind that popehat is a gossipy jackass who is friends with Adam Steinbong, who was McGibney’s partner in his extortion business for two years, according to… Read more »
Popehat and JLVD are certainly enemies, but something tells me that Popehat is no friend to TR either. He certainly hasn’t gone out of his way to support TR on twitter or on his blog. He is, at best, neutral. If he were forced to take a side, my guess is that he would grudgingly support TR simply because Popehat has a vested interest in the applicability of anti-SLAPP in federal court. it certainly wouldn’t be out of respect for TR.
It is bizarre how you people always seem to equate Twitter Court with real life court. Just because one is being deposed as a witness does not mean a person supports or does not support a particular side.
A witness is a witness, and is ALWAYS subject to deposition.
Besides, I do not see TR ever asking for his “support”. In fact, I do not ever see TR ever going anywhere on social media asking for anyone’s support at all!
He’s not being deposed. And you’ve changed your story a half a dozen times in less than 48 hours.
and you know this how?
We know this because you have continued to prove yourself FULL of shit and hot hair. You file lots and lots of court papers, but NONE of them go anywhere. You failed to get those domains you PROMISED your cohearts. You LOST $1.3 Million for your buddy Rauhauser. Really, if one looks back on your vexatious litigancy practice, it’s a case study on LOSING. LOSS after LOSS after LOSS after LOSS, with a few minor “wins” sprinkled in. But this Van Dyke scheme of yours will prove to be the most epic of losses. Not because Van Dyke is or… Read more »
Hey white person pretending to be black, In your whacky world, when a person gets sued for $100 million, they are overplaying their hand?
Are you speaking to yourself?
Your problem is you read, but do not understand the words (or context of the comment).
Hint: sometimes subtext is more important than the words on the page.
And you’ve changed your story a half a dozen times in less than 48 hours. Whose “story” has changed over the past 2 days and what was the “story” to begin with? If you comment is regarding the claim that Ken White would be appearing in federal court for the injunction hearing, that claim has never changed. The problem is that either TR was not clear enough in what TR meant by the word “appear”, or you simply read more into it then what there was. As we all recall from McGibney’s many failed SLAPP lawsuits, at a hearing on… Read more »
BREAKING NEWS – ANOTHER ARREST!!
In yet surprising (not so surprising) news, yet another member of the McGibney Gang has been taken into police custody and hauled off to jail!
DJ Ashba was arrested Friday in Illinois.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/30/guns-n-roses-guitarist-dj-ashba-arrested-dui/#disqus_thread
#GFY McGibney
#TangoDown @Bullyville and @Cheaterville
aLL THIS time, I thought DJ Ashba was a DJ.
Turns out to be a guitarist from some 80s metal hair band. lol.
Weiner Holder
He posted it about a dozen times.
What did he post?
this same thing about 12 times
https://twitter.com/KICnederland/status/1024128053524549633
SPECIAL UPDATE!!
We are pleased to announce that a settlement was made today in the federal LOLsuit filed by Deric Lostutter against American Hero & Honorary Admin of the BV Files Alexandria Goddard. The documents are posted at the bottom of the article.
She needs to be deported. Someone call ICE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd8Xc95SKC8
Did the admins see the latest order from judge mazzant in the TR/JLVD saga? Wow. That has to sting. So much for JLVD being hauled out of court in handcuffs on August 9. Another poster wrote that Haynes & Boone is joining the TR legal team. That’s probably a good idea. This judge doesn’t seem too impressed with Hanszen Laporte.
Perhaps someone can remind me. I seem to have forgotten: was it TR or JLVD that removed this case to federal court? The answer to that question will NEVER not be funny.
huh? That was a motion that TR put in and it was granted. That means TR won the motion — though it was unopposed. That means H-L won its motion. You seem to have zero reading comprehension skills. Why do you think it would “sting” for TR’s motion to be granted? This does not sting either side — TR filed this motion, but it was unopposed, meaning the other side did not care if it was granted or not. It is fairly mysterious why the judge had that long court order written up, rather than just writing “Granted” across it.… Read more »
I can’t imagine that it sits well with the defense team that the judge used granting the motion as an opportunity to rebuke them. The court is probably less than interested in this case and sick of hijinks from both sides. I am not surprised JLVD didn’t oppose the motion either; the longer this drags out the more opportunity he has to conceal assets from his future judgment creditor.
PRO TIP: In order to conceal assets from a creditor it is first necessary for one to have assets to begin with.
I think JLVD is lying his ass off about his assets. How else does he still have a home and a car?
An asset is only an asset if one has positive equity in it.
Lots of people have houses and car loans for which they are upside down on.
Does this mean that an ass is only an ass if one has positive shitflow in it? If that’s the case, then we’ve found the basis for your tall tales about being “wealthy”. No one would dispute how full of shit you are!
you sound like a 4 year old boy who is all tickled about making jokes about kaka and poo poo.
We are adults here and your idiot humor does not work.
4 year old boys (unless, it’s Tom’s son, Collin) generally doo not know the word “shit”, let alone understand a colloquialism such as “full of shit” sufficiently enough to make a HILARIOUS observation such as the one related by “TR **IS*WEALTHY.
^^ We get it. You think the stupid comments you post are brilliant. You think you are controlling all the litigation with your mind control. You think you know where everyone is and what they are doing.
In short, you are insane.
But we let you post here anyway, because we like to laugh at you.
and.. you never seem to catch on that we are laughing at your insanity.
If that’s the case, then we’ve found the basis for your tall tales about being “wealthy”. So who is paying for all of TR’s lawyers? The nice young lady who represented TR at the San Jose TRO trial. Then the top-notch criminal defender for all of the contempt of court motions in San Jose. The defense in the McGibney Texas LOlsuit. And now the entire Hanszen Laporte law firm to defend against the Nazi’s LOLsuit. So where does the money come from to pay for all of this nonsense? Oh, that’s right…. you claim that TR is somehow BLACKMAILING the… Read more »
See, the problem is that you read, but you do not understand the words! The judge had to include that extra language to make it clear to Jeff, Kent, Tony, and the others, that he will not tolerate them allowing a punk vexatious litigant in Phoenix affixing their signatures to and uploading mindless motions – even unopposed ones – via their ECF credentials. “Defendant is incorrect. In fact, such a representation is not only misleading but also DISRESPECTFUL… (ruh roh!) Here, Defendant essentially turns a motion to stay into a platform for which to complain about the Court’s ruling denying… Read more »
good litigators might need to preserve things for the appeals record that explain what the judge did wrong. it happens all the time. The judge might not like it, but it is how it is.
perhaps they should have made those arguments in their actual motion. can the appeals court even consider those arguments if they were not made until after the motion was decided? I have no idea. Just asking.
You seem real confused by litigation and it is not something that can be explained to you in a short comment online.
A BIG #GFY TO THE FEDERAL COURT!!! People who know me can readily attest to my beliefs that anybody and everybody who wants to own a gun should. Seriously – 100% VERIFIED! I think guns are useful tools to have and it is always a good idea to have one close at hand just in case of a zombie horde, or rouge FBIs, or crazy Proud Boys come knocking on the door. In that sense, a gun is like a flash light. While I am not the one who posted this particular torrent, I did post one at around the… Read more »
Dismissed. Interesting. “The Truth is the Ultimate Defense’.
JLVD interviews with “The Liberalist” about TR (warning: poor audio quality). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtrBB5EWMh4&feature=youtu.be
WTF – this is bascially unviewable. the dude is too poor to have a decent internet connection. so the video keeps dropping off and is unwatchable.
MAJOR MEDIA COME BACK!!!
For the past 3 years members of the McGibney Gang, and McGibney himself, have been claiming that Bullyville is going to have a “major media comeback” any day now.
Unfortunately, the only person receiving any positive media spin here is your American Hero & Honorary Admin of the BV Files, TR.
Texas Lawyer magazine – and the American Bar Association – just love TR.
Am I the only one who thinks its a damn shame that it could be TR and JVLD who decide the applicability of Anti-SLAPP in federal court for millions of people? The article in Texas Lawyer seems to think that is exactly what will happen
Why is that a shame? Van Dyke sucks as a lawyer. Plus, he is a nut job who filed a ridiculous $100 Million LOLsuit. I cannot imagine the Fifth Circuit doing him any favors.
Besides, the worst that could happen is the case gets sent back to the trial court. You think it will survive summary judgment, let alone a jury trial? Get real!
You know what’s funny? Let’s say JLVD is 35. I don’t know how old he is and he looks older than that, but acts like he is 14, so let’s say he is 35. Let’s say he would retired at 65. That is 30 years. At $100 million, if he is counting his career as a total loss for which he wishes to be compensated, he thinks his work would be worth $3,333,333.333 per year. Yes, he thinks his work would be worth over $3 million per year.
Well your own lawyer argued that the case will take 150 – 300k to defend and with this appeal it will probably cost more than that. If this case goes the distance (to a jury trial), that money is lost whether you win or lose. JLVD is a pro se so he only loses his time and he is unemployed anyway. So if JLVD makes you spend 100 – 300k and he spends nothing, who really wins?
So if JLVD makes you spend 100 – 300k and he spends nothing, who really wins? I am really glad you asked that question. See, the nice thing about having a rich family (besides, you know, having a rich family), is the ability to afford entertainment expenses such as this! While the family is not wealthy like Bill Gates or Britney Spears, the $200K already spent on this case – plus, the apx. $500,000 already spent on all the past McGibney / Morgan / Klein LOLsuits) was / is easily affordable. Keep in mind that none of the money spent… Read more »
Ok I get it. But lets say JLVD wins. I admit that it’s highly unlikely, but lets just say that it happens. Even if he can’t collect from you because of trusts or whatever, he leaves the courtroom vindicated. If that happens, I would say that the money would have been better spent on an ostrich coat or a persian rug. Again I understand that it is highly unlikely to happen. But why give a person like JLVD a chance to make a name for himself in a case like this? You got him fired from the Victoria DA’s office.… Read more »
You seem to be missing two points.
1. JLVD sued TR, not vice versa.
2. JLVD got himself disinvited, not fired. TR had nothing to do with it.
Two very good points!!
Jason Lee Van Dyke was the one who filed the lawsuit.
And Jason Lee Van Dyke was the one responsible for his job losses due to YEARS of violently racist social media posts!
Am I right?
you are right.
Can I give you some money to invest for me?
Besides, the worst that could happen is the case gets sent back to the trial court. You think it will survive summary judgment, let alone a jury trial? Sure, sure. Just like your claim this case was all over a month ago, am I right? By your own words you were to have won a TCPA dismissal and be kicking back collecting your money. Except, that judge doesn’t see it your way. And you remain the complete moron who removed this case to a Federal court and landed before a judge who sees right through your scheme (or fully briefed).… Read more »
Whether the TCPA applies in federal court is a central issue in Klocke v. Watson, No. 17-11320, which is now pending in the Fifth Circuit. Since briefing was completed in that case on April 30 of this year, it’s likely the issue will already have been decided by the time the court gets to Retzlaff’s appeal.
This is old news!
Or do you think that it is a coincidence that 3 days AFTER the appellee’s brief was filed by Watson that I removed this case to federal court???
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha
Dude, Van Dyke (like McGibney before him) was led like sheep to the slaughter – 100% VERIFIED!!
Why do you care? You don’t live in Texas.
Phat Phil does
BREAKING NEWS!!! Our American Hero & Honorary Admin of the BV Files Thomas Retzlaff has just walked out of the Price Daniel building in Austin, Texas, moments ago after appearing before the Judicial Branch Certification Commission in a hearing just before noon on the matter of Steve Hartman and whether or not he should be punished, and, if so, how much. Well according to sources on the ground (i.e. me!), Retzlaff once again carried the day! His testimony was found to be absolutely credible and he words compelling. So compelling that the Commission decided to INCREASE even more the punishment… Read more »
This sounds exciting! Please tell us more!!
We need an article telling Phil to stop pretending the FBI works with him.
That would be wonderful. Lying piece of shit Phat Phil is.
Do you even know him? Is he the one Klein sent to Colorado to mess up Joe Camp’s life by arriving at his job and falsely claiming to have a warrant for his arrest?
What goes around comes around.
Omg. That is horrible.
Klein needs to be thrown in the slammer for his horrible false claims and PI License taken away. So many people have reported that dipshit to Texas. There’s still a few rooms open at third south for a 3 day psychiatric hold for Philip R Klein.
I honestly think he is evil, not insane.
Just like McGibney.
Chemical restraints and a padded room would do good for Phat Phil. Evil is crazy. Make sure the door is locked when you leave the ward with Phat Phil!
Klein never went to Colorado.
Sociopath Joseph A. Camp made that up as a means of continuing to string the Trollin’ Grannies along.
This was confirmed by law enforcement. Basko should be aware since she is a wannabe activist informant who has regular (manic, mostly one-way) communications with them.
If you claim to know where Klein was every minute and what he was doing, then you must be Klein.
It looks like the post says YOU SENT HARTMAN to Colorado to show up at Joe Camp’s place of work claiming to have an arrest warrant.
Your goal was to fuck up his employment, which you did successfully.
You , just like those other jackasses Jay Leiderman and James McGibney, believed you had the right to screw up another man’s employment, housing, relationships. Your constant harassment worked.
We hope you are proud of yourself, fat man.
Sorry asshole, your ruse is not accepted. The visit was caught on videeyah. Klein was white knighting for McGibney’s right hand gal, KiCO, the one who was funding hacker ops till the day she died. Your lies might be believable if not for the fact that Klein put his insanity regarding Joe Camp all over his website, facebook, blog, and court filings. Klein uses each of those to harass and lie about and create confrontations with a person who never did anything to him. Don’t believe it? Go check Klein’s facebook this minute. Go check his blog and site. And… Read more »
Oh, I’ve read Klein’s stuff. It’s a fun read. But none of that changes your TALL TALE of Klein showing up at Camp’s parking attendant job. It simply never happened. As for Camp’s role in Team Felon? The jury is still out on that. Clearly, Basko’s double standards allow her the moral latitude to suck off “TR” while continuing to hate on and lie about far less deplorable law abiding individuals. Believe me, Basko going around telling lies about people in her weirdly obsessed attempts to get random people she does not like arrested is squarely under the microscope.
I believe that Klein specifically stated on his Facebook that he did such a thing.
yes Klein said this exactly. And it was not a parking lot attendant job, though he did run parking lots at times. He also was a liaison for rock stars at major festivals, an access point manager at some events, VIP security at other events. And his success and ability to do good work made you damn jealous — so jealous that once Klein, McGibney, Olsen, Leiderman, Hatlestat and their whole mob found out what he was doing and where, they spent all day and night scheming up ways to sabotage it.
That whole mob is evil incarnate.
wow man If you think she is making police reports about you, here is a really smart idea — Leave her alone, stop making these stupid comment posts about her, stop tweeting about her, stop trying to invade her life, stop posting bullshit about her on your idiotic websites, stop including her in your insane court filings, stop making up crazy conspiracy theories about her, stop trying to gather her emails and phone calls and photos, stop photoshopping pics of her.
Just fucking stop doing all this stuff.. And tell all your moronic friends to do the same.